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Thanks again for responding to me, especially when I dumped such a heavy topic right into your lap. I did have the impression that the statement I saw was just the surface of a much deeper well (and was deliberately worded to get the reader’s attention). With this added context, what I hear it saying now is that abortion is MORALLY EQUIVALENT to dooming an infant’s soul to eternal suffering in hell (regardless of whether or not this is the final outcome at the Last Judgment). I think a big source of misunderstanding is that Western Christians are conditioned to believe that written doctrinal statements capture all of reality (whereas Eastern Christians don’t necessarily have that expectation when they approach a text).

Here’s the quote from Ephrem. It’s sourced from a researcher who actually supports the patristic consensus on this topic and points him out as a possible exception:

https://orthodoxchristiantheology.com/2020/12/02/ephrem-the-syrians-hymns-on-paradise-highlights/

“13. The river of humanity consists of people of all ages, with old, young, children and babes, infants in their mothers’ arms and others still unborn in the womb [lit. “conceptions in womb”]. Such is the sequence of Paradise’s fruit: firstfruits issued forth with the autumn harvest, wave upon wave, fecund with blossoms and fruit.

“14. Blessed the sinner who has received mercy there and is deemed worthy to be given access to the environs of Paradise…”

I also like how you emphasized the pastoral aspect of how you apply all this. My own views on infant vs. adult baptism have developed significantly since I’ve begun reading the Church Fathers. The standard Anabaptist belief has long been that baptism of an infant is theologically untenable because they lack the ability to repent and make a confession of faith beforehand. I will say that this viewpoint was shaped in the milieu of Latin Christendom and their experience of gross corruption within the state church. They also probably doubled down on it over the generations from the experience of being called “soul murderers” by state-sponsored Protestant and Catholic persecutors who were doing little to nothing to foster repentance and discipleship in their own baptized children.

I had always assumed the Anabaptist belief was also the belief of the early church until I read the baptismal writings of Hippolytus, Cyprian, and Origen. Tertullian stands out as someone who recommends delaying baptism until adulthood, but I can see that in his case it was more of a pastoral decision than a theological one—given his rigorist views, he wanted to avoid baptizing insufficiently catechized candidates who would fall into mortal sin. It does appear that there was greater variation and flexibility of practice before the Council of Carthage (I recall that Augustine himself and many of the 4th-5th century fathers were baptized as adults).

I will say that I and everyone in my congregation teach our children the faith as best we can and pray for their conversion in God’s good time. This was basically the approach of Augustine’s mother Monica (and perhaps it would even fall under the “catechized with prayer and given a name” section you pointed out from the Book of Needs?). In the absence of anything like the sacramental infrastructure available in Orthodoxy, I think it’s for the best, even if the theology behind it doesn’t have the historicity we once thought. But I have been praying that I can live to at least see a recognition of baptismal regeneration and the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I hope someday, in God’s good time, there can be a healing of all schisms and a regathering of the Undivided Church.

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Sorry, I keep pestering you with more questions (please let me know if it’s getting old). Since we ended on the topic of “official positions,” I was wondering how Old Believers would generally approach this topic:

https://open.substack.com/pub/barrelagedfaith/p/were-the-earliest-christians-pacifists?r=uc5n2&utm_medium=ios

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